You can't control what people are interested in, what they want to know more about. After that it's very hard to fully take advantage of major new insights you've had. 1) The accusations are currently unsubstantiated, 2) The reputational damage to the investor is already significant and largely irreversable, 3) Outing the investor here will significantly increase the reputational damage to the investor. CircleUp is still listed as a current investment on Canaan's site. Nobody likes to date people who are always trashing their exes. Naming the investor is counterproductive. I hate my work. The only listing of the board I can find is this news article  from 2015, but again, none of the people listed there can be definitively identified as the one being referenced. Seriously. My work has been great through all this, but I can't imagine the additional stress of being a CEO whilst dealing with all that. I worried that the team would use my diagnosis as an excuse to throw in the towel, that my health would become a distraction, cause the company to fail and make things that much worse. Sure you can, to a degree substantial enough to afford the entire advertising industry. Given that the accusations are based on unsubstantiated claims, outing the investor is wrong. It felt cathartic to read this. > By outing the guy, you are presuming him guilty and inflicting steep punishment when he could be innocent. Yet you lost years of your life, plus all your kids' early childhood fretting over terrible bosses. I'm happy everything worked out for you Ryan. That would be news and link them to it. How else can one know one’s wisdom if not through its demonstration? This means the next CEO who runs up against this investor is mostly completely unaware of their past actions. Agreed! One of the funds mentioned in the wikipedia article and that also matches the description from the email removed CircleUp from their portfolio website in 2019. And ofc you might have extenuating circumstances that prevent it. He's saying that no reasonable CEO will sign on to a company that is months away from going bankrupt. This means the next CEO who runs up against this investor is mostly completely unaware of their past actions. CircleUp is comprised of internally-managed equity funds, a credit program, and an Insights & Connections team - all powered by Helio, CircleUp… Yes for all the people who didn't know about Tesla or Elon Musk. The people we let go had joined because they believed in our product and mission. I hope, predicated on the notion that this isn't for you, you don't give up on developing another career path. Some are built to flip. As far as I can tell, these seem to be mutually exclusive: the leads of all the rounds seem to be veteran (or at the least very seasoned)VC investors. Let’s not do that. And by the end of it you're still wondering whether in future VCs will find you worthy of investment. The audience is on Twitter. Why did the CEO have to suffer through so much pain all alone? You should keep in mind that the investor may actually be innocent here. How does one call out BS without trampling on the spirit of the genuinely hurting? "A great board member, Dan, called me to say, “Ryan, I’ve never in my career seen a CEO as worn out as you. In general, yes, but in this case the most convincing candidate is a billionaire. Craig isn't the one who was sitting on the board. I'm thankful for that "feedback email", whoever that guy was, he either has a serious case of the Dunning–Kruger effect going on or he deliberately behaved … Let me take pictures … Even without outing the investors, many founders are currently doing the necessary research to identify the investor and will blacklist him. That's the kind of stuff I want to know. Sure, you could be sued by someone claiming that they're false, but under Anti-SLAPP laws if you prove that it's frivolous you can yourself be awarded $25,000. This is why "businesses" like WeWork are so divorced from business reality. From much experience with startups, founding and co-founding is a mental mind-f*ck at all times. Jay is related to Jung Ha Kim and Geum Ja Kim as well as 4 additional people. Greed has been prevalent throughout history. Note that, per his LinkedIn, Jay became a VC at Collaborative in 2014. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jung-ju. Aren’t Google Docs unindexed unless published to the web not shared as viewable links? Some will never go anywhere but fill people's pockets and egos. Where are you seeing the current and past board members? No one knows what the rock means to me, to everyone else it’s just a paperweight. I suppose so. The entrepreneurship ecosystem is full of narcissists, blowhards, and self-important people who believe that since they are managing other people's money they therefore have more wisdom and insight than anyone else. “Making an impact” is the best answer, but then it should be something more humane than financial. The CEO went out of his way to make the board member as easy to identify as he could, short of spelling his name out. Theoretically this would be easy to figure out if you had a yearly listing of board members which I imagine should be public, but that doesn't appear available publicly. All these accept … The email also adds context to Vinod Kosla's famous message: https://techcrunch.com/2013/09/11/vinod-khosla/. Name the board member. There is a very difficult balance to make, and he has clearly been careful about judging that balance, and getting feedback from others on that balance. I was thinking more along the lines of his name not appearing in this discussion's title means people searching his name might not find this discussion. Helio can scan about 1.2 million companies, identifying … Just look for a firm that had a board seat that is no longer listed on the site and that does not list Circlecup on their site. Which, I don't doubt he went through all this, but just can't help the bad taste in my mouth given the "I'm just selflessly saying things to help others" tone. However, while the lead investor companies are established, the "partners" of the lead investors listed on crunchbase do seem to fit the fresh investor note. The 6-page e-mail sent to the difficult former board member is interesting: Some people are agreeing with you, but I actually don't agree. This is why venture investing exists - to chase those non-traditional businesses that have the promise / potential to generate huge returns. New York City-based venture firm Collaborative Fund, and CircleUp, the fundraising platform for “anything but tech” startups, have partnered to invest $4 million into certified B Corps, said CircleUp … It was one of the more interesting companies profiled and I found the module very cool. February 26, 2014. I am also a developer in the Silicon Valley and I agree with everything you said 100%. Just imagine all the New York Post articles somebody would be sued for. I don’t think there’s anything particularly wrong about it, but it’s sad for his kids. "Life, if you know how to use it, is long. Board members end up choosing the CEO, do they not? Taylor Greene | Greater New York City Area | General Partner at An extra bit of complication seems to be that CircleUp itself seems to be some sort of VC-like operation, so at times I wasn't quite sure if some of the funds they were raising were for CircleUp or. It gives no room for filler text and every paragraph/tweet needs to have its own point. Eyeopening. A successful and healthy transition requires one to live in the nothingness between the end of one period and the beginning of another. But, doing so could be ruining an innocent person's life. It seems like the people who work the least reap all the benefits.. Maybe covid's just got me being cynical though. Indeed, they have several notable repeat entrepreneur relationships. What forum should he be outed in exactly? Two of the names are from the same throwaway account (unless something was changed with edits). Online shaming often gets out of hand and goes too far. For the next several months, my emotions would sometimes pour out in a tidal wave of tears and yelling. I'd find myself getting dizzy and lightheaded out of the blue while doing nothing more than sitting. He confirmed its him but denies the accusations. > and I would be surprised if the CircleUp CEO didn't realise this. The specifics of the business really don't matter. Tags Collaborative Fund TC Jay Kim… CircleUp is the investment platform providing capital and resources to innovative, early-stage consumer brands with a modern, scalable approach to private markets. The fact that the VC isn't named, makes it difficult for them to reply in a public way and respond to some of those points. Imagine if the CEO was a sociopath who is both adept at manipulating public opinion and out to destroy the investor's reputation. Any credit fund vehicle(s) or credit fund related activities referenced on this site are separately managed private fund(s) managed by CircleUp Credit Fund Advisors, LLC, a wholly owned subsidiary of CircleUp … She was five. Collaborative Fund led the Series C round. It didn’t used to exist in tech. In 2015, CircleUp raised a $22 million fund, the CircleUp Growth Fund, which would match investments coming through its platform. YC and many other founder networks have investor databases for this purpose. I remember letting go of someone I had known since college. The more I see around me and our nation at large, the more I am forming the opinion that greed is THE defining attribute of our time. Per Crunchbase, Jungju (Jay) Kim was the board partner for Collaborative's Series C investment in CircleUp. Outing the investor here will cause significant, irreparable reputational damage to the investor. Overview of CircleUp Growth Capital Fund I. CircleUp Growth Capital Fund I is a closed private equity fund managed by CircleUp. I think you misunderstood the tweet; the person who posted that tweet is asking the founder and leader of Collaborative Fund to be responsible for the actions of his partners. Aren’t Google Docs unindexed unless published to the web not shared as viewable links? I'm not good at any of them (nor do I wish to be) so they won't bring me any income. CircleUp Network Inc., a startup that connects accredited investors with stakes in consumer goods and retail businesses, has raised a $30 million round of Series C venture … I stand corrected. I've never really thought programming was much of a rewarding career for those capable yet wholly nonplussed. "I believed in you". There is little relationship between the alternate reality that is the startup world and the more mundane, sedate, and less interesting traditional business world. Founded in 2012, CircleUp is backed by Union Square Ventures, Collaborative Fund, GV, Canaan Partners, QED Advisors, and former leaders of Goldman Sachs, Capital One … All those personal and health issues... How dare he whine about it now. What legal liability? If you can find a way to turn a grilled cheese business into a billion-dollar return-generating vehicle, then the VC will invest in it. I don't think the lead investor's name is necessarily 6 characters. The former CEO can be dignified by keeping his name confidential , but this is a founder and entrepreneur discussion forum and this deserves discussion about this individual. I was also juggling personal challenges that were far more stressful than the hurdles at work. I'm sure she was an adult when she joined, fully capable of making her own decisions and weighting up pros and cons. But many many more just fail. April 10, 2016 ... Collaborative Fund Raises $33 Million Second Fund, Adds Nexon Founder Jay Kim As Venture Partner. Various digestion issues and stomach pain. There are a couple options that come to mind: 1 isn't a terrible idea in most circumstances but with investors you're more likely to get a C&D than a fair response given the line of work and the importance of reputation to the process. I wasn't considering the series C because the timelines didn't really add up, but I took a second look and it actually fits the points in the letter. Anger, frustration, fear, confusion — there were so many feelings to contend with. Everything in nature must eventually be owned my someone. Board members don't know about or care about traditional business needs. Given the timeline, that he was lead investor, the name length, the experience of the VC, the current and past board members, it’s easy to figure out the missing name. I would rather live in a world where the powerful can be baselessly attacked compared to a world where the weak are unable to fairly attack them - if we need to err on one side or the other I prefer to put up with trolls and scammers. It is a lonely place to be if you are not greedy. The guy has a wikipedia page that was clearly written by a PR agency: Tuesday was my last day as CEO of CircleUp, https://techcrunch.com/2013/09/11/vinod-khosla/. You should keep in mind that the investor may actually be innocent here. I was also in a new relationship that I was trying very hard to maintain. He stops short of naming the difficult board member, but it wouldn't exactly be difficult to figure out who it was from all the clues. There are some societal tools that exist to fight against baseless slander in a public forum but, tbh, the US has resisted adopting those. It's driven many good people away from companies they've founded. What on earth was the co-founder doing? Given the above, I really don't see how it's fair to out the investor before substantiating the accusations or giving the investor time to respond. Not just for show; doing it this way likely spares that person's SEO. I think you misunderstood the tweet; the person who posted that tweet is asking the founder and leader of Collaborative Fund to be responsible for the actions of his partners. See: I've never written anything about that time, despite wanting to, but this is the thread I wish I could write. Please, you need to take a sabbatical — at least six weeks”. The stress and drama of running a company completely f's your world up long into "success". But, the alternative is a world where someone's reputation can be irreparably damaged by unsubstantiated claims made by one person. I was leading engineering for three separate products and dealing with some very difficult stakeholders. Given that the accusations are based on unsubstantiated claims, outing the investor is wrong. https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2015/01/60650-lending-club-... Collaborative Fund led the Series C round. I don't think there is a legal argument here. It doesn't matter if it's an actually sustainable business or even really a business at all. CircleUp Draws More Investors As Equity Crowdfunding Gains Ground ... Another site, Earlyfund, can act as either a broker-dealer or a special fund manager. Well. He, and other board members, tried so hard to do the right thing and convince me to take care of myself.". Use the PitchBook Platform to explore the full profile. > audience, and forceful conciseness thanks to the platform constraints. I’d say Elon Musk has been acting more and more erratically as time has gone on. Similar to the letter. I was wondering where I knew that name from... there's a module about Ryan & CircleUp in the HBS Disruptive Innovation Course -. It took a while for me to realise what was happening and actually start taking care of myself - it's criminally easy to get stressed behind your own back. Yes, the priest's activity were criminal so it's NOT 1:1 of a comparison. Others see it as eccentric. Thanks for your input. Online shaming often gets out of hand and goes too far. The investor isn't here to defend himself, and outing him will cause him irreparable (and perhaps undue) reputational damage. That group of professional challenges was more difficult than anything else I’ve faced in my career. > By outing the guy, you are presuming him guilty and inflicting steep punishment when he could be innocent. By outing the guy, you are presuming him guilty and inflicting steep punishment when he could be innocent. Why do you feel the need to do what the author chose specifically not to? You're the person YC points to and says - See him, you could be like him one day! Whenever I write something like this I've found I end up constructing each tweet a bit like a lengthy bullet point. You may see it as just 'discussing some random topic on a forum'. Curiously, a 2015 article lists the Canaan board memeber as Daniel Ciporin. I can't quit my job to take a break because my wife and kids depend on my salary for money. The CEO went out of his way to make the board member as easy to identify as he could, short of spelling his name out. Easy answer: he’s not a good father. This is presented as a victorious journey. A lot of people especially here in the US are always invoking liability. I didn't mean to offend. Embarrassing frankly. Three names have been named. I liked someone's comment about preferring to let the focus be on Ryan's journey, and I suppose that many others here must be feeling a sense of kinship with a fellow entrepreneur as he described candidly and courageously his version of "The Struggle.". It is a transient response I feel to the money printing since, well, technically 2001. 2015 Vintage USD 22m Size Buy and sell stakes in CircleUp Growth Capital Fund … Jay has 5 jobs listed on their profile. How exactly did the reading of this post make you conclude he did the least work? Most VCs at that company would think it wasnt about them because they aren't so badly behaved. Ask about the men whose names are known by heart, and you will see that these are the marks that distinguish them: A cultivates B and B cultivates C; no one is his own master.". It's been three years since Collaborative Fund was founded to invest in startups in the collaborative … See: They will say I am not a bad person to work with and this inaccurate statements have affected my reputation. But I feel the pain everyday of having to answer to my managers who are constantly asking for status on my projects. I read through the whole thing, including the emails he shared. They, after all, have the money and influence to pay for much more professional attacks than the weak can scrounge together. February 26, 2014 at 11:30 AM EST. Very revealing at the board level. HackerNews clone built with Nuxt.js. So this guy fired a college buddy who chose to work for him instead of a better-paying job. Because of greed and the blindness it brings with it, any attempts to build even a slightly more benign economic arrangement gets immediately labeled as "socialist" or some such. They, after all, have the money and influence to pay for much more professional attacks than the weak can scrounge together. Being an avid Lego fan throughout his life, in 2013 he purchased Bricklink, the world’s largest online marketplace for Lego toys. Collaborative Fund, CircleUp Partner to Back B Corps. You only have one life to live. Also hindsight is 20/20 but if you work with an asshole it’s not your responsibility to shield him. That said, I do wonder how Elon Musk, who's simultaneously trying to send humanity to Mars, convert the world to electric cars and solar panels, and create direct neural uplinks doesn't crack from the pressure though. $1.2 million from Collaborative Fund. The fact that the VC isn't named, makes it difficult for them to reply in a public way and respond to some of those points. https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2015/01/60650-lending-club-... Collaborative Fund led the Series C round. Wow, this really struck home with me. This reality is not the same as the traditional business reality. Sounds like confirmation of an opinion to me if it needs to be said a lot. Especially since Series B and C were 5-6 years ago. > I'm saying that we should keep the identifying info private until the accusations are substantiated. sounds like Craig Shapiro is the likely culprit here. I'd have trouble concentrating when talking to someone and have trouble remembering what I was talking about. So the censorship is mostly for show. Obviously they have investors and customers who found it worthwhile, but is it. Yeah, totally right! FWIW, I was deeply curious about who the investor was and spent some time investigating who lead the fundraising rounds on Crunchbase, but I couldn't narrow it down sufficiently. EDIT: left out the keyword NOT in the 1:1 comparison. The internet mob is merciless, and will very likely ruin this guy's reputation once he's outed. > I'm saying that we should keep the identifying info private until the accusations are substantiated. IANAL but don’t think that the outcome in the US would have been the same. It's an uphill battle to make major changes to your style of management. I think what he's saying is that no-one would be willing to take over as CEO unless they had two years of runway ahead of them. Not just for show; doing it this way likely spares that person's SEO. Jay Kim was a fairly fresh venture investor at the time; the model and operation of NXC/Nexon's investment arm was quite different to the traditional … This means the next CEO who runs up against this investor is mostly completely unaware of their past actions. When "follow your Dreams" leads to this....well did you really dreamed about it that way? Given that he posted the e-mail contents online and wrote it in a way to narrate the board member's own bad actions, I'm assuming the real intent to was to warn others against working with this person. This is one of the most honest and cathartic emails I've read. That said, I have one question. Updated Aug. 18, 2014 7:03 am ET New York City-based venture firm Collaborative Fund, and CircleUp, the … Here we are deep into a comment thread about a completely different company and you are spreading elon's message about the price chance of his product for free. Where are you seeing the current and past board members? Eg encouraging the author to take time off etc. depression and burnout can make even small challenges feel like a big deal. > Keeping information in a quiet private forum makes it inaccessible to people at large. Some people naively view investment as "just money". Collaborative Fund will get access to the CircleUp pipeline of startups, which it uses proprietary algorithmic technology to analyze. Persistence was my superpower. If you read this Ryan - thanks for being part of it, and all the best for the future. By outing the guy, you are presuming him guilty and inflicting steep punishment when he could be innocent. But I was left so queasy by this whole read. He even admits to taking this investment and giving up a board seat without ever meeting in person. Is it just me, or do people in the tech startup world know this personality type all too well? Name the board member. But, doing so could be ruining an innocent person's life. Very revealing at the board level. Indeed. Imagine if the CEO was a sociopath who is both adept at manipulating public opinion and out to destroy the investor's reputation. "-situation and nothing ever happens, because "It could have been true, right?". Oh yeah you can watch datapoints, brainscans and talk to experts for years, but listen to what you feel is enough. I would rather live in a world where the powerful can be baselessly attacked compared to a world where the weak are unable to fairly attack them - if we need to err on one side or the other I prefer to put up with trolls and scammers. Why now? Sure, so that the lesson isn't lost, though, we may want to learn from Ryan's sobering experience and think harder about this too: Which investors we choose to collaborate with, come due-diligence time. I think it is of great public service that the email is out in public domain. Collaborative Fund is a leading source of capital for entrepreneurs pushing the world forward.  Is giving the accused a platform to defend himself that unpopular of an opinion? The way the economy and society is structured, there is absolutely no breathing room left for anyone to perform any activity except to exist in the service of a paycheck. Nobody likes to date people who are trashing, Fair enough. I only remember a pair of words from the first conversation with my doctor: “two tumors”. And in our day and age you're considered a winner! Thanks (to both you and the parent poster) for sharing your experiences. Like as if he is some sort of... oh i don’t know... a human being with emotions and feeling. Naming this 1 investor focuses the discussion on that single investor, rather than bringing awareness to the situation itself, and how commonly these things happen (yet how rarely anyone talks about it). And the story just moves on, like it's a colour detail to the whole thing? Not just the guy he's writing about, but even just venture and this guy himself. 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